I realize the title alone may have irritated a lot of people. I don't mean to start a war or insult the Italian brand's fans (and I know quite a few). It's not that Campagnolo components are unsuitable for riding or fall apart in your hands. After all, they still win many races. However, I think Campagnolo's cult status is greatly exaggerated, and their products have often irritated me. So, this will be a mechanic's complaint and a few observations from someone who values quality over "legend and style."
That was something! Photo by: Fil.Al
It's hard to deny that Campagnolo has a distinguished history. It's been around since 1933, which is no small achievement. Furthermore, it has invented quick-releases and gear shifting – respect. For years, their components were a benchmark of quality – they simply worked. And that wasn't obvious, especially when the slogan "made in Japan" had a similar connotation to "made in China" today, and for good reason. And let's face it – the old Records look amazing – they're classics of industrial design. The problem was that the company founded by the inventor rested on its laurels and failed to anticipate the coming changes. First, it lacked the production capacity to meet the demands of the cycling boom in the United States in the early 1970s. This allowed the Japanese from Shimano and SunTour to firmly establish themselves in the market. The second mistake was underestimating the competition.
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The current Super Record. There's no shortage of carbon fiber here. Photo from the manufacturer's website.
It must be admitted, however, that the implementation of new materials, especially carbon fiber, seemed to herald a change. I also can't deny them one thing: fully detachable components and the availability of spare parts are a significant tribute to both users and the environment. Disassembling the derailleur into its first components and providing a complete overhaul also guarantees satisfaction for any mechanic. So what if Campagnolo, at the stage of 10-speed drivetrains, mounted carbon cranks with a square bottom bracket? Seriously? External bearings didn't arrive until two years later. Electric shifting followed two years after Shimano. Hydraulic brakes had to wait even longer. The only thing the Italians are first at (starting with 10-speed cassettes) is increasing the number of rear gears.
Well, needless to say, they intrigued me. Photo from the manufacturer's website .
The problem is that road riding isn't like mountain biking, where Shimano beat SRAM with similar technology. Mountain bikes lacked the range of gears in drivetrains without a front derailleur and the smallest possible steps between them (incidentally, Shimano has adopted a very Campy approach here). A 12-tooth chainring is a significant improvement over an 11-tooth, as is a 10-tooth chainring over an 11-tooth. On the road, where the front derailleur still holds up well, this isn't a significant advantage, especially considering that more gears shorten component life.
Here's a positive change – in race after race, the Italians have gone even further. This year, they introduced the Campagnolo Ekar – a lightweight groupset designed for gravel bikes with 13 speeds at the rear! And the smallest cassette cog has 9 teeth! It looks incredibly interesting (I love carbon cranks, though), and the Italians claim that the chain's durability hasn't suffered from the increased cross-section. There's one problem – it costs over 8,000 PLN. And no, it's not electric. For that price, you can buy a Shimano GRX 2x11 Di2 and a large supply of chains. And here we come to the biggest problem.
An excerpt from the current Chorus manual. Fortunately, the newer the group, the fewer such solutions there are, which bodes well.
There once were times... Today there are no times...
That was something! Photo by: Fil.Al
Italian conservatism, or Campagnolo's fear of change
When Shimano introduced the gear indexing system, which took derailleur performance to a new level, the Italians thought it was good for casual cyclists. Real cyclists can shift gears without the aid of pawls. This was a serious mistake. Shimano introduced its system in 1985, SunTour shortly after. It took Campagnolo two years to realize this wasn't a passing fad. However, instead of introducing new drivetrains, it tried selling "upgrade kits" for the old ones. Derailleurs, stuck in the 1950s, simply couldn't cope. The failure was sealed. By the time the industry finally caught up, experimenting with different derailleur designs, we had entered the last decade of the 20th century. The sad truth is that only models that practically copied Japanese designs earned good reviews. By then, Shimano had already become the undisputed market leader, and in the meantime, Campagnolo had also conquered the growing mountain bike market.
The current Super Record. There's no shortage of carbon fiber here. Photo from the manufacturer's website.This is not enough
Well, needless to say, they intrigued me. Photo from the manufacturer's website .Value for money
Campagnolo is expensive. Although the price gap between Italian, Japanese, and American products has recently narrowed, it's still noticeable. This is partly due to the materials used (large amounts of carbon) and manufacturing methods. The cheapest groupset, the Campagnolo Centaur with traditional brakes, costs around 2,400 PLN. And that's without a cassette or chain. The latter costs around 150 PLN (about a third more than the Shimano 105), and the cassette costs around 400 PLN! Twice as much as the competition. At this point, many people will exclaim, "But you can't compare the Centaur to a Shimano 105! Campagnolo is a higher-end brand." I disagree. Both groupsets have 11 speeds. They weigh roughly the same. The build quality? I don't know anyone who, after switching from Campagnolo to Shimano or Sram, would want to go back to Italian products. Of course, it's not a disaster, but it lacks the characteristic firm feel and stiff shifting. Brake modulation is also poorer, although I think the caliper brakes have greater clamping force than the Shimano.What about the legendary durability of Campagnolo drivetrains?
I can't count the number of times I've heard that Campagnolo chains are "three times more durable than Shimano." Or "they last 10,000 kilometers." Unfortunately, not. Both my experience as a mechanic and independent research show that Campagnolo drivetrains are comparable to the competition. I particularly recommend this chain lifespan comparison . Some of the results are surprising. The same applies to other components – their durability and performance don't justify the price. Furthermore, service costs are often higher due to the need to use special tools for less common parts. The matter is exacerbated by unnecessarily complicated solutions that complicate service. For example, the need to properly align the cassette sprockets and a system of different-thickness spacers between them. Or the overcomplicated wheel bearing locking system. This contradicts the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) principle.
An excerpt from the current Chorus manual. Fortunately, the newer the group, the fewer such solutions there are, which bodes well.
Dziekuje autorowi za tę analizę , czytam to jako były zawodnik, szkoleniowiec,mechanik.Wiele rzeczy z osprzetu niema oficjalnych badan bądż nie mamy do nich dostepu .Kwestia sentymentu do marki czasem wieksza do używanej przez siebie ,czasem jedynej bo marzenia można bylo zrealizować w sklepie u Legendy śŵ.pamieci Pana Stanisława Królaka co z Sianowa koszalinskie bylo wyprawą i to przemiłą.Kupic mozna bylo u kolegow lub za ich pomoca na wyscigach ,obozach,.Też swoje do dzis przywiazanie wiażę z Campagnolo ale tysiace kilometrow przejechalem na Shimano.Nie bylo żle a i super marki samochodowe czasem robią pśikusa.Pozdrawiam wszystkich zaczarowanych dwoma krecacymi się kołami.Z odwagą w nowy sezon.
Dziękujemy za pozostawienie komentarza, pozdrawiamy! :)
Jeździłem na Campie Record od wejścia 9 biegów, czyli 1997. Te klamki u mnie zrobiły 70 tys. i poszły do brata. Potem miałem 10S, też Record. Obie grupy chodzą do dziś – 10S u brata, 9S w rowerze do ciarania. Cenię klamki za ergonomię i dostęp nawet z górnego chwytu małym paluszkiem. A nade wszystko za brak jakichkolwiek oznak zużycia. Również przerzutki. Zawsze uważałem, że elektryczne przerzutki nie są praktyczne dla zwykłych użytkowników jak ja. Dopóki nie pojawił się SRAM eTap. Uznałem jego geniusz, zamontowałem szybciej, niż trwał demontaż mechanicznej Campy i po 5 latach podtrzymuję opinię. eTap śmiga jednakowoż z korbą Super Record.
Jeszcze co do Campy – jeżdżąc po Londynie do roboty do 22km, zapotrzebowałem na początku wieku dojechać 16-szprychową obręcz Cosmic, od której padła źle rozwiązana piasta z bębenkiem Campy. Kupiłem tanią, najwyraźniej nieanodowaną piastę Mirage 32H i ona wytrzymała lata z co drugą szprychą i do dziś jeździ w roboczym rowerze, również w błocie pośniegowym – tylko napędowi poświęcam nieco troski – gdzie działa bez żadnego błagania o serwis. Jedynie powierzchnia obudowy to nieusuwalna mieszanka brudu i skorodowanego aluminium.
Co do łańcuchów – przejechałem wiele Campy Record, potem KMC SL Gold, teraz testuję 12S Sram Eagle XO ze smarem Silca Synergetic i absolutnie potwierdzam wyniki testów Adama Keirina z ZFC.
Kolego, dzięki za artykuł ale brak w nim naprawdę konkretów dot. wytrzymałości Shimano vs. Campa.
Pokaż jak wg Twojego doświadczenia zużywają się poszczególne komponenty? Konkretne przebiegi dla łańcucha,korby etc.
Kiedyś jeździłem na Shimano. Dziś już tylko Campa, zarówno w szosach jak i w CX.
W campie w 2014 roku zaczynałem od Veloce. Wykręcone 15 tys. I dopiero zmieniałem łańcuch w 2016. Później osprzęt wymieniłem na Athene a Veloce sprzedane do poznańskiego klubu młodzików. Chłopaki przejechały na nim jeszcze 21 tys. Wymieniany był łańcuch 2 razy i raz zębatka w tylnej przerzutce. Reszta nic.
Obecnie jeżdżę (od 2021) na Chorus DB 12 i zwykłylym.
Każdy ma wykręcone po 14 tys. I na razie w jednym zmieniłem tylko łańcuch.
Oczywiście nie jestem zawodowcem ale, 7-10 tys bez zmiany czegokolwiek to chyba dobrze świadczy o sprzęcie. Jakkolwiek by on się nie nazywał ;)
W shimano Ultegra i 105 łańcuch do wymiany po 4000 dla tego pierwszego, w 105 po 2800. I to jeździła pani żona :)
Jedna tylko uwaga. Sprzęt jest czyszczony na fullu raz w roku, a ok 3-5 razy tak pół full (bez rozbierania). Używam tylko Morgan Blu a do smarowania tylko wosk/emulsja woskowa.
Pozdrawiam miłośników Campy,Shimano,Sram i innych :)
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